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charter: Add sections on membership, resignations, and removals #248
charter: Add sections on membership, resignations, and removals #248
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To be symmetrical, we should explicitly allow the person targeted for removal to provide an explanation (rebuttal?) in the form an issue or a PR. That will stand out significantly more than a comment on an issue, persist better, and is symmetrical to the removal proposal.
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My personal opinion: no.
This isn't a trial or a debate. It's an up/down vote if the rest of the committee has confidence in the impacted individual to continue serving out their term.
I can assure you that the steering committee talks about everything going on with our community constantly, and the other members will be clear on the position of the person impacted.
This also doesn't restrict the impacted individual from speaking publicly, only that their statement isn't an official artifact of the process. We don't need to provide a platform.
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Something about that position bothers me, I'm not sure what. I'd propose stating that the party in question will be permitted to post (in a comment) a link to a defense/rebuttal on their own platform, and that moderation won't delete it. Since we can't really prevent people from writing such a document anyway.
We don't have to give people a platform, but it's very suspicious to attempt to deny them a platform, too.
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I can't get behind this either, as it puts restrictions on our moderation and CoC teams.
What I'm worried about is someone using this process/platform to post a manifesto/screed in their defence. I sincerely hope that this wouldn't be the case, but I also hope that this is a policy we don't need to use in the first place.
If the impacted person posts a public comment that doesn't violate any moderation or CoC policies, then it can exist just like any other public comment on the issue. I'm not saying they shouldn't be able to do that. My concern is with elevating or somehow enshrining their "right" to do that as some sort of artifact of the process that cannot be touched.
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An unhinged screed is actually good evidence that removal is correct? I'm not saying we should host it, only that we do people a favor by helping them find it.
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My point is we can't make them take it down / fix it unless we own the forum.
I continue to think you all are overtraining on the possibility of a CoC violating response. I don't see how that would help the person in question at all.
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@lavalamp those responses rarely help anyone, but they're all too common (just look around at various Big Personalities that have existed in and around linux development communities for decades and the things they've said about queer people/women/disabled people/...).
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In general, sure, but as a response to an attempt to kick someone off a board? That would make very little sense as self defense. I'll change my mind given a few examples of such a thing, if you have them.
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@lavalamp no one here is going to take the bait and attempt to change your mind. That isn't positive nor productive. If this community is important enough to you, you are more than capable of researching the topic independently.
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That wasn't disingenuous, but you don't know me and I don't know how to prove that in a short amount of text. Nor do I know how to express the sentiment in a way that sufficiently distinguishes it from people who are attempting to drag out arguments rather than trying to find some objective reason to conclude them, which is how I meant it.
Anyway, it's too late now as people are voting.